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	<description>researching religious values for ecological sustainability</description>
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		<title>Comment on daoist religion and ecotourism: a visit to maoshan by contested sacred space on maoshan &#124; sustainable china</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2010/09/02/daoist-religion-and-ecotourism-a-visit-to-maoshan/comment-page-1/#comment-1497</link>
		<dc:creator>contested sacred space on maoshan &#124; sustainable china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 17:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] year I had the opportunity to visit Maoshan, an important Daoist site in Jiangsu province (see here for my earlier post). One result of my fieldwork was that it gave a deeper insight as to the way Daoism and nature are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] year I had the opportunity to visit Maoshan, an important Daoist site in Jiangsu province (see here for my earlier post). One result of my fieldwork was that it gave a deeper insight as to the way Daoism and nature are [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on daoist religion and ecotourism: a visit to maoshan by religion, ecology and nationalism &#124; sustainable china</title>
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		<dc:creator>religion, ecology and nationalism &#124; sustainable china</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 21:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] conservation of Daoist sites where this has accorded with nationalist politics. This is the case at Maoshan, a designated AAAA tourism destination, which is also a red tourism site, associated with the 4th [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] conservation of Daoist sites where this has accorded with nationalist politics. This is the case at Maoshan, a designated AAAA tourism destination, which is also a red tourism site, associated with the 4th [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on the end of environmentalism? by amyamylsone</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2008/12/01/the-end-of-environmentalism/comment-page-1/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>amyamylsone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>******</description>
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		<title>Comment on the religion and ecology of the blang minority nationality by VedohinePoown</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2011/08/16/religion-and-ecology-in-blang-minority-nationality/comment-page-1/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>VedohinePoown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!     
like you post:  to my @cetimvut twitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
like you post:  to my @cetimvut twitter</p>
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		<title>Comment on consumptionomics: asia&#8217;s role in reshaping capitalism and saving the planet by VedohinePoown</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2011/02/07/consumptionomics/comment-page-1/#comment-1236</link>
		<dc:creator>VedohinePoown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!     
like you post:  to my @iceqeaks twitter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!<br />
like you post:  to my @iceqeaks twitter</p>
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		<title>Comment on the religion and ecology of the blang minority nationality by John Grim</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2011/08/16/religion-and-ecology-in-blang-minority-nationality/comment-page-1/#comment-1136</link>
		<dc:creator>John Grim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, James, for this fine statement on current Blang practices related to religion and ecology.  I tried to email the article to myself and could not get the security code to register.  I wanted to have my students in &quot;Indigenous Religions and Ecology&quot; to have this information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, James, for this fine statement on current Blang practices related to religion and ecology.  I tried to email the article to myself and could not get the security code to register.  I wanted to have my students in &#8220;Indigenous Religions and Ecology&#8221; to have this information.</p>
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		<title>Comment on ecological civilization by D. Paul Schafer</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2010/11/19/ecological-civilization-2/comment-page-1/#comment-1100</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Paul Schafer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jun 2011 17:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During the last few years, I have had the privilege of having two of my books translated into Chinese and published by the Social Sciences Academic Press in Beijing that have a direct bearing on this subject.  The first is Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age, and the second is Culture: Beacon of the Future. Both books are concerned with the need to have strong industries and economies, but strong industries and economies that are judiciously positioned in the broader and deeper domain of culture as a whole and informed by environmental, historical, and cultural values as well as industrial, economic, and commercial values.  I believe both books are very relevant to the development of China in the future in all its diverse aspects and manifestations.       D. Paul Schafer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During the last few years, I have had the privilege of having two of my books translated into Chinese and published by the Social Sciences Academic Press in Beijing that have a direct bearing on this subject.  The first is Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age, and the second is Culture: Beacon of the Future. Both books are concerned with the need to have strong industries and economies, but strong industries and economies that are judiciously positioned in the broader and deeper domain of culture as a whole and informed by environmental, historical, and cultural values as well as industrial, economic, and commercial values.  I believe both books are very relevant to the development of China in the future in all its diverse aspects and manifestations.       D. Paul Schafer</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;best to be like water&#8221;: tsunamis, religion and non-human agency by james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your positive feedback, Fabrizio. I hope we get to meet somewhere soon! James.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your positive feedback, Fabrizio. I hope we get to meet somewhere soon! James.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;best to be like water&#8221;: tsunamis, religion and non-human agency by james</title>
		<link>http://www.sustainablechina.info/2011/04/04/best-to-be-like-water-tsunamis-religion-and-non-human-agency/comment-page-1/#comment-1055</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Apr 2011 14:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your response, and feel free to lurk!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your response, and feel free to lurk!</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;best to be like water&#8221;: tsunamis, religion and non-human agency by Al Iannacone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Iannacone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Apr 2011 14:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,

I’ve been enjoying your writing in “lurker” mode for some time and thought this post as good a time as any to join in the conversation more actively…

From my readings of the Taoist classics I’d add a couple of extra points regarding “being like water”:

1) The Daoists were impressed by the humble persistence of water in quietly achieving its ends by small degrees over a long period of time – think of the erosive power that created the Grand Canyon in Arizona – and thought this a worthy trait for emulation.  Being seen as neither a threat or challenge, goals can be achieved despite the will of the powerful and without the risk of direct confrontation.

2) They also used water as a model for how to deal with obstacles, problems, or challenges.  Think of how a river flows around a mountain rather than attempting to climb over it.  It naturally takes the path of least resistance and still manages to achieve its ultimate “goal” (reaching the sea) but in the way that involves the least effort and resistance.  In Western, scientific terms (my background is in the environmental sciences) we’d say it takes the path of lowest energy. No wasted effort; ends reached by the most efficient (but not necessarily the most direct or fastest, a point of confusion to many modern people) means possible.

Thinking more specifically about events like the tsunami, it brings up the interesting contrasts between Western and Eastern thought on disasters in general: Western thought is more likely to see such events as “evil” since there is a strong dichotomy between “good and evil” in the Western tradition, while my understanding is that Taoist thought, while not denying that the event is tragic, would see the event as also a symptom of lives lived out of touch with the Tao / out of balance with nature. Building in a floodplain is a calculated risk, and building levees to control the flow of nature is accepting a bet that you’ve built your levee high enough. Instead of “good and evil” Taoism seems to me to take the viewpoint of “wise versus foolish” and “healthy versus unhealthy.”  Putting too much trust in levees would be seen as being on the “foolish” and “unhealthy” side of the ledger.

I’m also reminded of fung shui in this regard as well, in terms of the rules for siting a building. What might seem like mumbo-jumbo on first reading after reflection reveals at deeper levels a distillation of hard-learned folk wisdom (with a flashy patina for “marketing” purposes): for example, advice to build a house on a hillside, neither at the bottom (prone to flooding) nor the top (prone to wind damage or lightning, colder in winter, and easily seen by potential attackers).

Anyway, thanks for another thought-provoking posting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,</p>
<p>I’ve been enjoying your writing in “lurker” mode for some time and thought this post as good a time as any to join in the conversation more actively…</p>
<p>From my readings of the Taoist classics I’d add a couple of extra points regarding “being like water”:</p>
<p>1) The Daoists were impressed by the humble persistence of water in quietly achieving its ends by small degrees over a long period of time – think of the erosive power that created the Grand Canyon in Arizona – and thought this a worthy trait for emulation.  Being seen as neither a threat or challenge, goals can be achieved despite the will of the powerful and without the risk of direct confrontation.</p>
<p>2) They also used water as a model for how to deal with obstacles, problems, or challenges.  Think of how a river flows around a mountain rather than attempting to climb over it.  It naturally takes the path of least resistance and still manages to achieve its ultimate “goal” (reaching the sea) but in the way that involves the least effort and resistance.  In Western, scientific terms (my background is in the environmental sciences) we’d say it takes the path of lowest energy. No wasted effort; ends reached by the most efficient (but not necessarily the most direct or fastest, a point of confusion to many modern people) means possible.</p>
<p>Thinking more specifically about events like the tsunami, it brings up the interesting contrasts between Western and Eastern thought on disasters in general: Western thought is more likely to see such events as “evil” since there is a strong dichotomy between “good and evil” in the Western tradition, while my understanding is that Taoist thought, while not denying that the event is tragic, would see the event as also a symptom of lives lived out of touch with the Tao / out of balance with nature. Building in a floodplain is a calculated risk, and building levees to control the flow of nature is accepting a bet that you’ve built your levee high enough. Instead of “good and evil” Taoism seems to me to take the viewpoint of “wise versus foolish” and “healthy versus unhealthy.”  Putting too much trust in levees would be seen as being on the “foolish” and “unhealthy” side of the ledger.</p>
<p>I’m also reminded of fung shui in this regard as well, in terms of the rules for siting a building. What might seem like mumbo-jumbo on first reading after reflection reveals at deeper levels a distillation of hard-learned folk wisdom (with a flashy patina for “marketing” purposes): for example, advice to build a house on a hillside, neither at the bottom (prone to flooding) nor the top (prone to wind damage or lightning, colder in winter, and easily seen by potential attackers).</p>
<p>Anyway, thanks for another thought-provoking posting.</p>
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